This podcast explores the challenges faced when discussing collaboration in public services. It touches upon lived experience of mental health services and how the power dynamics apparent in mental health settings can be overcome. This podcast was produced by the 'Therapeutic Conflicts: Co-Producing Meaning in Mental Health'. The principal investigator is Edward Harcourt. Co-Investigators: Anita Avradmides, Matthew Broome, and KWM Fulfford. Collaborating partners: David Crepaz-Keay and Toby Williamson.